Making History • HIST 1105 • Week 8.1

Progress Toward What?

  • No new reading. Everything from Weeks 1–7.
  • Progress · Ranke corrects Voltaire, Marx corrects Ranke, Thompson corrects Marx, Ginzburg corrects Thompson
  • Purpose · Livy, Voltaire, Ranke, Marx, Thompson — five answers, not all compatible
  • From Thursday · al-Biruni in 1017, and Braudel against Ginzburg on scale

Thursday · 7.2 · scale

You cannot zoom in and out at the same time

Zoom out · Braudel

Four centuries of a sea

Gets: why conventions last, what no one could change. Loses: the afternoon, the decision, the name.

Zoom in · Ginzburg

One miller’s trial

Gets: a mind in full, in his own words. Loses: any claim about how many others thought it.

Zoom out and you can explain everything and decide nothing. Zoom in and you can decide everything and explain almost nothing.

Each scale buys one thing by giving up another. So what would it take for one of them to count as an improvement on the last?

Part one · progress

Each turn fixes what the last one missed

01 · 1824

Against speculation

Voltaire judged the past by taste. Ranke will say only what a document can show.

02 · 1848

Underneath the archive

Marx reads underneath Ranke’s states and princes, to who was producing what they ran on.

03 · 1963

Class as something people do

Marx’s class is a structure. Thompson makes it something people do to each other.

04 · 1976

One man instead of a crowd

Thompson’s weavers arrive in numbers; Ginzburg gets one man’s cosmos in his own words.

Each turn answers a fairly specific complaint about the one before it. Whether four of those in a row add up to progress is a different question.

Weeks 3 and 4 · Al-Biruni and Ranke

Al-Biruni had the test eight centuries early

Al-Biruni · Kitab al-Hind, c. 1017

“No one will deny that in questions of historic authenticity hearsay does not equal eyewitness… How could we know the history of nations but for the everlasting monuments of the pen?” preface

Ranke · Geschichten der romanischen und germanischen Völker, 1824

“History has had assigned to it the office of judging the past and of instructing the present… To such high offices the present work does not presume: it seeks only to show what actually happened.” introduction (GHDI trans.)

Ranke made the refusal new. The test underneath it was already eight centuries old, which is odd for a sequence supposed to run forward.

Part one · discussion

Progress or accumulation


Is there any “progress” in historical writing? Are we now closer to the truth, or just accumulating competing frameworks?

Real progress on narrow questions — whose sources, which test, what counts as evidence. The big one stays open, mostly because almost nobody agrees what the target is.

Part two · purpose

Three jobs history has been given

Livy · Ab Urbe Condita

A monument to choose from

The past set out as examples: “choose for yourself… what to imitate,” and mark what to avoid.

Ranke · 1824

Only what actually happened

Judging the past and instructing the present are “high offices the present work does not presume.”

Thompson · 1963

A rescue

The stockinger and the hand-loom weaver, pulled back “from the enormous condescension of posterity.”

Quoted phrases: Livy, Preface (Foster trans.); Ranke, 1824 introduction (GHDI trans.); Thompson, The Making of the English Working Class, p. 12.

Ranke refuses the job Livy took for granted. A century later Thompson hands history a new one.

Part two · the trial record

Ranke and Ginzburg, reading the same trial record

The document

Ginzburg’s source is an inquisition trial record, the official record of a church tribunal. Ranke could have read this file.

What each one reads it for

Ranke reads it for what the tribunal did, and gets a procedure carried out. Ginzburg reads the same pages for what the miller believed, and gets a cosmos made of cheese.

What each one wants from the page settles it before the document does. Both are reading carefully; they just get different books.

Part two · discussion

Which purpose is defensible


Livy wants moral examples. Voltaire wants civilizational lessons. Ranke wants truth. Marx wants revolution. Thompson wants to rescue the forgotten. Which purpose do you find most defensible, and why?

These aren’t always compatible goals — they produce different histories from the same sources. Pick one and you have mostly decided in advance what you can notice.

Today · looking back

Real repairs, and a target nobody agreed on

Part one · progress

The repairs were real

Four turns each fixed one complaint. Al-Biruni already had the test in 1017, so the sequence is probably older than it looks.

Part two · purpose

What the past was for

Livy picks examples out of it, Ranke won’t use it for anything, Thompson goes back for whoever got left out. The same trial record becomes two different books depending on which job you hold.

The take home

You cannot measure progress until you say what history is for

What did improve

The tests got stricter and the evidence got wider: who counts as a source, what counts as proof, whose past can be known at all.

What did not

Every writer we read decides which facts get the floor, and most of them believe the decision is justified.

Ask whether history has progressed and you have already been asked what it is for. This course has five answers to that question, and no agreed way to rank them.

Next · Week 9, after the break

Many national traditions were invented, and recently

Nations feel ancient. Hobsbawm argues that many of their traditions were invented, often deliberately; Anderson calls nations imagined, not faked. Compare Kant’s plan nobody alive could see, in 4.1.